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Possibly not-quite-plagiarism?
My Facebook feed is littered with Spuffy and BtVS pages, because I am that sad. One of those I joined most recently has taken to posting a lot of images, banners and manips, some of which are oddly familiar.

The first I spotted was slaymesoftly's header. I commented on what it was and pfft! it vanished.

Next was a recent piece of work by comlodge. I commented on that and this time the page owner agreed that her work is excellent - but it's still there.

Just now it was a banner for a story by alwaysjbj.

The page is called: Spikey William The-Bloody Pratt: Spuffy. If you make art, you may want to have a look and comment. I don't think it's deliberate theft, just cluelessness about etiquette.

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velvetwhip From: velvetwhip Date: February 11th, 2014 12:05 am (UTC) (Link)
There's a lot of art there that I recognize but can't recall the artist. Damn! This is what I hate about Facebook (and Pinterest and Tumblr for that matter). People just crib things at will with no thought of giving credit. Someone posted one of my drabbles on Tumblr and it never occurred to them to either ask me first or credit me as the author. Luckily, I made a fuss and they took it down.


Gabrielle
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 12:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I honestly don't think the two folks who appear to run that page have any idea that people might object. I rather feel people ought to be asked, however...
velvetwhip From: velvetwhip Date: February 11th, 2014 12:11 am (UTC) (Link)
If they at least credited, I would have far less of a problem, but they are not doing so and the implication thus exists that the work is their own. Not okay.


Gabrielle
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 12:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Absolutely. Though they never try to remove text, so some of it is credited, though to the author rather than the artist.

I've left another comment. Sooner or later I expect they'll ban me...
velvetwhip From: velvetwhip Date: February 11th, 2014 12:22 am (UTC) (Link)
I just posted to alert all the artists on my f-list(and I credited you with bringing this to light).



Gabrielle
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 12:23 am (UTC) (Link)
I saw that - thanks. You can probably reach a few different folks.
spikesjojo From: spikesjojo Date: February 11th, 2014 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)
You have spoken to them? Did you flat out tell them that etiquette is to have permission before you post someone's work?
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 12:22 am (UTC) (Link)
I was possibly a bit too polite and British...
spikesjojo From: spikesjojo Date: February 11th, 2014 02:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I just reported the page - if anyone else has a FB page they should report it too. I hate to follow it in order to write them a message but I'll see what I can do. I'm in that sort of mood today!
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's just gone kaboom in an implosion of self-pity.
spikesjojo From: spikesjojo Date: February 12th, 2014 02:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah - just scoped it out - answered the lady shouting about how mean we are. And I was polite, too!
hobbituk From: hobbituk Date: February 11th, 2014 12:29 am (UTC) (Link)
I had a look but didn't recognise any - I'm not really into artwork (it squicks me a bit to see Spike's head randomly placed on other male bodies - not everyone is talented with the manips!)

I couldn't look at the page often anyway - Spikey? Seriously??

Edited at 2014-02-11 12:30 am (UTC)
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 12:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes, seriously. And Buffie.

Ah well. There are sometimes good links there. I did mention I was sad, though, didn't I?
davesmusictank From: davesmusictank Date: February 11th, 2014 06:26 am (UTC) (Link)
In my books it it is plagiarism and rude by not asking your permission first. Or you could say it is the sincerest form of flattery.
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 08:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Both at once. It appears they genuinely believe anything they find on Google image search is public domain...
kazzy_cee From: kazzy_cee Date: February 11th, 2014 07:30 am (UTC) (Link)
Interesting - I recognise quite a few on there. I've also spotted one of mine which has been re-manipped by someone else LOL!!!
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 08:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh dear. Probably not to its benefit either!
bogwitch From: bogwitch Date: February 11th, 2014 08:25 am (UTC) (Link)
This is a direct result of a cultural shift to reblogging. I get that it is rude, but I suspect in the end we'll be unable to stop it.
curiouswombat From: curiouswombat Date: February 11th, 2014 10:47 am (UTC) (Link)
I think you are absolutely right.

I really can't see the majority even thinking of asking permission to repost - just as I wouldn't think of asking the author's permission before I lend a book to a friend - you publish it and it becomes public property. However credit might be nice, like the author's name is on the front of the book.

But people just collect together things they like, and then share them because they like them - if you are an artist the answer is, like the artists of old, to sign your work on the front where it can be seen.
bogwitch From: bogwitch Date: February 11th, 2014 08:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Agreed, watermarking is the way to go. This a whole generational ethos, we might as well try to order back the sea.

I have to say as an artist, I'm not terribly bothered unless they claim it as their own.
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think you're right.
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I think you are right. They genuinely seem to believe that if you can find it on Google (or Bing. Bless) then it's free for anyone.
bogwitch From: bogwitch Date: February 11th, 2014 11:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
And I might not be entirely innocent myself...
red_satin_doll From: red_satin_doll Date: February 13th, 2014 02:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
And I might not be entirely innocent myself...

**shifty eyes**

I have some icons that I got from Fanpop.com and didn't credit but I suspect that they were reblogged to begin with and so whoever posted them wasn't the creator. That's the problem with sites like that so I try to stick mostly with ones I make or find here on LJ and know who created them.

I confess I do collect gifs off tumblr without crediting, and my bad about that. Now I have hundreds and have no way of finding the original sources now.

With the examples gillo found - those seem pretty blatant though. People aren't usually reposting on LJ without crediting that I've seen; but I guess that's the nature of LJ and the folks who will tend to gravitate towards it?

shapinglight From: shapinglight Date: February 11th, 2014 09:20 am (UTC) (Link)
Not being on FB, I can't see any of them.
kathyh From: kathyh Date: February 11th, 2014 09:46 am (UTC) (Link)
No, nor can I. Glad to know that I'm not the only person in the country not on FB!
shapinglight From: shapinglight Date: February 11th, 2014 10:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll avoid it as long as I possibly can.

If M does what she's threatening to do, though, and packs in her job to go travelling, I might have to join it.

:sigh:
curiouswombat From: curiouswombat Date: February 11th, 2014 10:41 am (UTC) (Link)
I managed not to whilst D-d was travelling - she e-mailed me and sent me links to pictures!

And so I remain, like you and Kathy, a Facebook refusenik!
shapinglight From: shapinglight Date: February 11th, 2014 10:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Well hopefully, if it happens, I can do the same.
bogwitch From: bogwitch Date: February 11th, 2014 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
The more the world tries to make me join it, the more I refuse. I am the same issue with Apple.
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's a terrible time sink.
bogwitch From: bogwitch Date: February 11th, 2014 11:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
As if I didn't have enough of those.
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 11:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Exactly.
curiouswombat From: curiouswombat Date: February 11th, 2014 10:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Me neither - we are clearly the Luddites of the internet!
kathyh From: kathyh Date: February 11th, 2014 10:51 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll hold out if you will :)
bogwitch From: bogwitch Date: February 11th, 2014 08:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not either!
kathyh From: kathyh Date: February 11th, 2014 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
There are more of us than I thought!
rua1412 From: rua1412 Date: February 11th, 2014 09:55 am (UTC) (Link)
I have no words to describe how much this sucks:((
kikimay From: kikimay Date: February 11th, 2014 10:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Sadly it happens a lot. It seems like those who are on Facebook are clueless about the netiquette. (And 9 cases out of 10 it's true)
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Very clearly in this instance.
red_satin_doll From: red_satin_doll Date: February 13th, 2014 02:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
In some instances they are NOT clueless at all though - they know perfectly well, they've been told more than once (I'm recalling an experience on a forum I was on the mod team for) and they insist on doing it anyway because...they want to, basically.
teragramm From: teragramm Date: February 11th, 2014 10:32 am (UTC) (Link)
I took a look and quite a few of the pieces look like I've seen them before but I just can't remember where. Thanks for the heads up.

Edited at 2014-02-11 10:33 am (UTC)
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
I recognise a lot of stuff posted over there, but it was finding things I actually recognised by name that spurred me to act.
heleninwales From: heleninwales Date: February 11th, 2014 04:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's not plagiarism, it's outright copyright theft.

I realise that in practice that if you put stuff on the web, people are likely to pinch it, but they should get permission before reposting anything that they didn't create themselves. I know that a lot of people don't bother and sites like Tumblr and Pinterest positively encourage bad practice, but it can come back to bite them on the bottom.

Here are a couple of recent stories.

Tumblr shuts down popular blogger.

A blogger is sued for using photos that she had no right to.
gillo From: gillo Date: February 11th, 2014 10:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
That page has just closed in a welter of accusation and self-pity.
heleninwales From: heleninwales Date: February 12th, 2014 10:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, dear. Some people have a huge sense of entitlement and are totally clueless about copyright law and common politeness. Most amateur artists/photographers are perfectly happy to share if asked nicely. She's lucky no one sued her.
red_satin_doll From: red_satin_doll Date: February 13th, 2014 02:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Good for you for bringing it up! I'm sure the original creators appreciate it.

We're doing this work for free - and admittedly using copyrighted material (tv shows etc) as our own sources, so fair use and all that jazz. So the only "payment" we can offer each other is appreciation and proper credit. That's coin of the realm for fandom works.
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